Yared Nuguse isn't turning Pro & Trash-Talks NAU

Already in contention for dumbest post, hocker may very well be better than nuguse on the grass we don't know cause he didn't run any cross country during his breakout season also saying that nuguse is better aerobically is done right stupid. Hocker is just the better runner

Hocker vs Nuguse

1:46 vs 1:48

3:31 vs 3:34

7:46 vs 7:46

13:18 vs 13:40

The 5k shows that hocker is aerobically better and that was shortly after he won the NCAA 1500m. Hocker couldve almost definitely challenged 7:40 in the 3k as well

rojo wrote:

Going through the deleted threads. I have no idea why this was deleted. My apologies. Talk about an Olympian on a podcast is certainly fair game.

Because your moderation is a clown show

Seriously. Does Rojo go find bums on street corners and talk them into becoming moderators? Probably not, I'm thinking, because even they would do a better job than the current bunch.

Dream Police wrote:

Why was his sleep tied up? That sounds like it could be a problem.

The problem is that clowns like you think that your opinion matters somehow.

Yeah, Nuguse ran 13:40 SOLO and it was his first race of his track season. He could have easily run 13:15 if he was in the NCAA 5k. As for the 1500m, Nuguse didn't get the chance to run in the Olympics. I imagine he would have run something similar. Lastly, he's a ton faster in XC. Just look at the stats man.

Odd to see so many people upset nuguse didn't run through an injury. He probably thinks he will qualify for the next Olympics and favors career longevity; rather than trying to make a final he would finish nearly last at.

Yall are really that upset Craig Engels who at best would've ran 3:34 in the finals and realistically wouldn't have made the final wasn't handed a spot by nuguse?

Just a reminder to people that are genuinely villainizing him for not competing: 3:31 got 6th and Craig would not have been in the final.

DouchebagsAnonymous wrote:

WinnytheBish wrote:

You seem pretty awesome so I'm sure this is a big loss for him.

His loss, yes.

Olympic opportunity is fleeting.

Get hurt and not give others that opportunity??

So be it. ....Let him be judge accordingly

Don't compete = not an Olympian.

Weak AF injury story relative to the moment and fleeting opportunity.

For him or others (Engels)

The reality is he wouldn't of gotten through the prelims hurt or not but not even trying to let USATF know and especially Engels is LAME.

Selfish?

Yes.

Does it even register with Nuguse?? Doubtful.

That's what we're really judging here.

Did you even listen to the part of the episode where he went in-depth about his injury? He literally said he made the decision to not run 10min before the Prelims started. How would he have notified Craig who has in a different continent drinking beer?

They're actually very similar runners — both strength-based 1500m runners who have great natural speed (even when not doing a ton of speedwork).

Nuguse can definitely go faster in the 5,000 but so can Hocker and in XC as well. Nuguse probably will go much faster in the 800 soon if given the opportunity. I don't think there's much of a reason to believe Nuguse is relatively better in long distance or Hocker is in short distance. Yes some of the PBs are so (XC-8K for Nuguse, 800 for Hocker), but both are optimized for the 1500 and have shown they're great at overdistance as well and solid at the 800 (Nuguse won his race in 1:48.2 in late-March when he was a 3:38 guy).

Right now Hocker is the slightly better runner, so I'd bet he'd beat Nuguse narrowly at pretty much any distance. It is decidedly not a Hocker/Nuguse vs. Engels situation where both guys would trounce Craig in a 3K+ but then potentially lose in an 800.

DouchebagsAnonymous wrote:

WinnytheBish wrote:

You seem pretty awesome so I'm sure this is a big loss for him.

His loss, yes.

Olympic opportunity is fleeting.

Get hurt and not give others that opportunity??

So be it. ....Let him be judge accordingly

Don't compete = not an Olympian.

Weak AF injury story relative to the moment and fleeting opportunity.

For him or others (Engels)

The reality is he wouldn't of gotten through the prelims hurt or not but not even trying to let USATF know and especially Engels is LAME.

Selfish?

Yes.

Does it even register with Nuguse?? Doubtful.

That's what we're really judging here.

Maybe learn all the facts before you spew nonsense about this. It's public knowledge and there have been multiple interviews about it.

Also, it's my opinion but I think if you make the US team, you are an Olympian. Not asking everyone to agree with me, but I'm not going to hang this over the head of a 21 year old kid who was injured.

Anyone else realize how much Nuguse sucks at Cross Country? He's not your typical Olympian. Morgan McDonald (Wisconsin) was a Champ. Justyn Knight (Syracuse), Champ. Patrick Tiernan (Villanova), Champ.

Nuguse placed 23rd TWENTY THIRD, in a diluted NCAA XC Field in 2020(1). Twenty-Third.

Thankfully, in 2019 he also competed and placed 46th FORTY SIXTH!!!

Oh, he also ran in 2018, and placed 59th FIFTY NINTH!!!

Now, I'm sure you will all say he is improving. Figuring out the hill and dale going from 59-46-23... maybe he breaks the Top 10-15 in 2021. Maybe. But then again, the dude has never run under 30-minutes or sub-13:30.

Assuming you're trolling, but Nuguse is a 1500m runner. The rest of the guys you listed are 5K guys or 10K guys. They are more suited for success in XC. For fairer comps, look at the NCAA XC results of guys like Centro, Oli Hoare and so on.

First, Nuguse is the antithesis of selfish. He has shown that he places team titles (xc, DMR) over individual awards, and he says that multiple times in the podcast, even saying that what makes him get out to run is that otherwise he'd be letting his teammates and family down. Second, he had a quad injury in Tokyo that they thought would get better but on the very day of the prelims, he could not even do a stride, so he dropped out instead of just running the first 100m because that would not be meeting his responsibility to the sport. Third, he came back to ND to go after a team title and so will be trying to help his #2 ranked team beat the #1 ranked team, NAU, which is why they have competitions. He doesn't trash talk anyone and while this will be very tough, they have a shot. NAU returns 5 runners from its national championship team, which had the best score since 2005 at 60 points, but after its very, very strong top two, Nur (27:47 10000m/7th in the winter in XC) and Young (4th XC), it needs guys to step up, because Ferro and Grijalva are big losses. Among the guys who could do that are potentially Raff, Bosley, and Quax. There may be others. Too bad Kessler won't be on the squad. So, with NAU losing two low sticks, ND has an opportunity.

Charlatan wrote:

Was a fan of Nuguse, but he burned me at the Olympics.

Total coward move, but that's expected from that culture at ND.

Selfish. Egotistical bunch.

The only person I’ve ever worked/trained with that was a vegan graduate of ND sent me joke memes about how “pets are slaves” the 2020 June weekend that all the George Floyd stuff really picked up. Soured my impression of the whole place

Let’s think a little more about this and think about what kind of offers he’d get.

He finished 3rd at the US Champs (not special). He dropped out of the Olympics so he didn’t prove his worth on the global scale either. His PRs are mediocre at best on the global scale. 1:48 (wouldn’t even win a high school national title), 3:34 (set the NCAA record, but a million guys run 3:34 or faster), and 13:40 (another million run 13:40 or faster).

I’m sure he didn’t have close to a $50k offer on the table. If you’re only going to make $30k a year running professionally, might as well stay in college and take the ND scholarship that’s worth over $50k.

Compare this to Hocker. He went 1v1 against the golden boy Olympic champ Centro in the last 100m at the US champs. He won. Then ran 3:31. That deserves a massive contract.

Charlatan wrote:

Anyone else realize how much Nuguse sucks at Cross Country? He's not your typical Olympian. Morgan McDonald (Wisconsin) was a Champ. Justyn Knight (Syracuse), Champ. Patrick Tiernan (Villanova), Champ.

Nuguse placed 23rd TWENTY THIRD, in a diluted NCAA XC Field in 2020(1). Twenty-Third.

Thankfully, in 2019 he also competed and placed 46th FORTY SIXTH!!!

Oh, he also ran in 2018, and placed 59th FIFTY NINTH!!!

Now, I'm sure you will all say he is improving. Figuring out the hill and dale going from 59-46-23... maybe he breaks the Top 10-15 in 2021. Maybe. But then again, the dude has never run under 30-minutes or sub-13:30.

What was Centrowitz’s highest place in XC? Or Weating or Manzano or Engels?

Yared Nuguse, Rojo's boy wrote:

JoggyHobber wrote:

Already in contention for dumbest post, hocker may very well be better than nuguse on the grass we don't know cause he didn't run any cross country during his breakout season also saying that nuguse is better aerobically is done right stupid. Hocker is just the better runner

Hocker vs Nuguse

1:46 vs 1:48

3:31 vs 3:34

7:46 vs 7:46

13:18 vs 13:40

The 5k shows that hocker is aerobically better and that was shortly after he won the NCAA 1500m. Hocker couldve almost definitely challenged 7:40 in the 3k as well

Yeah, Nuguse ran 13:40 SOLO and it was his first race of his track season. He could have easily run 13:15 if he was in the NCAA 5k. As for the 1500m, Nuguse didn't get the chance to run in the Olympics. I imagine he would have run something similar. Lastly, he's a ton faster in XC. Just look at the stats man.

The stats currently show that Hocker is better at the longer distance. 13:18 is considerably better than 13:40. To say that Nuguse "could have easily run 13:15 if he was in the NCAA 5k" is pure speculation and doesn't qualify as "stats." Hocker's 13:18 came shortly after he ran a 3:35 PR to beat Nuguse in the NCAA 1500m. Using logic similar to yours, Hocker is probably in sub-13:10 shape if he ran it fresh. Hocker also runs lower mileage than Nuguse. Hocker is in the 60's. Nuguse is in the 70s. Since Hocker can run a better 5,000m off lower mileage and was an Footlocker XC champ off of even lower mileage (30's in high school) it seems like Hocker is a better Aerobic runner. He also has more potential upside since he runs lower mileage at the moment. I wouldn't even call Nuguse "amazing on the grass considering his 1500m background." Lopez Lomong, Centro, Ollie Hoare are some examples of milers that all finished higher than Nuguse in NCAA XC and they all ran against full fields, not fields that were impacted by an NCAA indoor championship that happened a few days before.

Runner10287 wrote:

rojo wrote:

Going through the deleted threads. I have no idea why this was deleted. My apologies. Talk about an Olympian on a podcast is certainly fair game.

Because your moderation is a clown show

The marxist don’t like people speaking freely. If you are going to speak it must comply with leftist propaganda rules and protocol.

Your logic is absolutely horrible. You state speculation doesn't qualify as stats then your argument uses that same speculation in favor of hocker. I can break down your Hocker > Nuguse argument in xc by saying Nuguse has performed better at xc therefore he is better. Same way you are saying the 5k is pure speculation.

Also the indoor field was watered down same as the xc field. Using common sense Nuguse obviously is worth much faster than 13:40. is it 13:15 maybe or maybe not but I would bet anything that he would be closer to 13:18 than 13:40.

the best part of your argument is that Nuguse did worse at xc than other previous ncaa champ milers. However the xc factor here is the nature of that race(Kiptoo/Mantz who Hocker has not raced) and the course itself in comparison to previous ncaa championship courses. So your xc ncaa finish comparison still isn't a 1:1 comparison.

It is safe to say Nuguse is obviously capable of at least 13:20 right around the same ballpark as Hocker.

A lot of the anger seems to be focused on the spot going unused with the late scratch. Is there a reason the team cannot bring alternates to the games who can be ready to sub in if there is a late injury or illness? Was this not possible because of the pandemic, or some sort of IOC or USATF rule or because our 4th runner, in this case Engels, was not interested in sitting around on the off chance he would run?