Serious discussion: Israel has the most cases of covid per capita in the world right now. What is going on?

And yet the case fatality rate is .6%, one of the lowest in the entire world.

For reference, in Norway it's .5% and in the US it's 1.6%.

Death rates are more important than cases. Number of cases is a worthless metric. Its only use is fearmongering. Seriously, that's just about the only thing it's good for.

DanM wrote:

I believe these so-called "vaccines" are rapidly losing whatever efficacy they originally had. Provincetown proved that for all 3 brands.

There is no evidence for waning against severe disease and waning against minor disease is not "losing whatever efficacy they have."

Hospitals in the US are filled with almost exclusively unvaccinated patients.

Wejo, this is the kind of misinformation that a few posters SPAM the boards with daily. Not just posts but many threads claiming the vaccines don't work. This is WRONG. Even data from Israel supports this:

501miler wrote:

The problem is, that we now have all these variants. If people would have get vaccinated faster and we wouldn't have social media (including LRC) spreading false information, we might be through this already.

Because people to this day (just check on the letsrun forum) refuse to wear masks and a hesitancy to get vaccinated, make the spread of more variants very likely.

But hey it's all about free opinions about everything (including all the false covid BS on here)

You wejo are part of the problem because you didn't lead when you could have.

Now we go into the second year of cancelled races.

Thanks Wejo!

Nope. False. The vaccinated are people who can not only get Covid, but also infect others. Covid can and does mutate in these individuals also. As a health care provider, I recieved the 2 shot series from Pfizer and I am getting the booster as soon as possible.

DanM wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Wejo if you did more to call out the endless COVID BS on these boards I would feel better about these posts. We don't need 9 threads about the vaccines not working or 4 threads about boosters. It becomes hard to push back on the tons of spam (and I do report threads!).

Wejo, please note that this Harambe character is by far the biggest crap mill of endless Covid BS on LetsRun. About 6 weeks ago, he tried spreading Covid death rumors about people who no longer post on LetsRun. The mods deleted his reprehensible garbage after I reported it.

+1

That crosses the line when he spreads death rumors and has absolutely no evidence to support his allegations. One of the posters he suggested that had passed, I found alive & well posting regularly on a anti-vaxx site. When I brought this to his attention he basically called me a liar! But this is simply how a Liberal debates on just about any issue these days.

Harambe wrote:

DanM wrote:

I believe these so-called "vaccines" are rapidly losing whatever efficacy they originally had. Provincetown proved that for all 3 brands.

There is no evidence for waning against severe disease and waning against minor disease is not "losing whatever efficacy they have."

Hospitals in the US are filled with almost exclusively unvaccinated patients.

Wejo, this is the kind of misinformation that a few posters SPAM the boards with daily. Not just posts but many threads claiming the vaccines don't work. This is WRONG. Even data from Israel supports this:

https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated

• 274, or 79%, of the fully vaccinated people who tested positive for the virus were symptomatic.

• Out of the 133 specimens that were sequenced in this outbreak, 119, or 89%, were from the delta variant, and one sample had the delta AY.3 sublineage.

• Four of the five people who were hospitalized in this outbreak were vaccinated.

• 301, or 87%, of the people who had been vaccinated and tested positive were men; their median age was 42.

• Of the people who reported breakthrough infections, 159, or 46%, had gotten the BioNTech SE–Pfizer Inc. vaccine; 131, or 38%, had received the Moderna Inc. shot; and 56, or 16%, had been administered the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

no clue wrote:

it should be noted that Israel tested/vaccinated early/and often and declared success, spiked the covid football in the virus' endzone and went about their lives

congregation restrictions, distancing, and event size restrictions were all removed. same idea masks. Israel went full send with the vaccine as their sword of damacles

as everyone knows, delta is breaking through at a minor rate, combine the minor breakthroughs with full-send anti-mask/anti physical distancing and you get more breakthroughs

Delta is breaking at a major rate. You will see and experience this in the next couple of months.

stanky legs wrote:

Nope. False. The vaccinated are people who can not only get Covid, but also infect others. Covid can and does mutate in these individuals also. As a health care provider, I recieved the 2 shot series from Pfizer and I am getting the booster as soon as possible.

COVID mutates far more in unvaccinated individuals where odds of infection are higher, viral load is higher, and time to vial clearance is longer.

You got that right wrote:

DanM wrote:

Wejo, please note that this Harambe character is by far the biggest crap mill of endless Covid BS on LetsRun. About 6 weeks ago, he tried spreading Covid death rumors about people who no longer post on LetsRun. The mods deleted his reprehensible garbage after I reported it.

+1

That crosses the line when he spreads death rumors and has absolutely no evidence to support his allegations. One of the posters he suggested that had passed, I found alive & well posting regularly on a anti-vaxx site. When I brought this to his attention he basically called me a liar! But this is simply how a Liberal debates on just about any issue these days.

I am happy to accept evidence of our dear friend Allen53's, uh, life. I asked for evidence but you didn't share?

Regardless, I am not the one spreading misinformation about vaccine efficiacy.

Posters like DanM have zero ability to do the simple mathematical reasoning required to understand the statistics coming out of the US, Israel, and other places. Many posters have shared redundant lines of evidence showing this, but they continue to spam simplistic misrepresentations about the vaccine.

See above where DanM shares information about the fraction of positives that are vaccinated. It's a classic base-rate fallacy where even 1 simple forward analysis. would reveal a much high vaccine efficacy than he insinuates.

Simply put, this poster is either to dumb to grasp this, or is knowingly posting misinformation repeatedly. Both are embarrassing.

curious-err wrote:

Wejo-

posting anonymously on a board where you have mod powers and access to everyone's IP's is a clear example of what's wrong with this board.

run by low integrity people.....not intentional low integrity...just clueless.....people who are so clueless that they are confused how this is an integrity issue at all.

thanks for confirming once again that it's perfectly reasonable to assume you and your brother are behind many of the anonymous race-baiting troll posts on here....I mean you do keep around a head maderator who posts memes about running over black people.

and your response to this will be to suspend me for calling it out lol

complete gong show

I hope that you and yours never get sick with Covid. That said, you, like Harambe, don't really care about the TRUTH. You just want your Team, the Democratic party in the United States, to win and rule at all costs. The vaccines are working, I agree. The uber hype of the Covid virus is doing more harm than the virus itself. Again, I believe in vaccines.

Harambe wrote:

stanky legs wrote:

Nope. False. The vaccinated are people who can not only get Covid, but also infect others. Covid can and does mutate in these individuals also. As a health care provider, I recieved the 2 shot series from Pfizer and I am getting the booster as soon as possible.

COVID mutates far more in unvaccinated individuals where odds of infection are higher, viral load is higher, and time to vial clearance is longer.

So, you agree that it mutates in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Thank you.

stanky legs wrote:

Harambe wrote:

COVID mutates far more in unvaccinated individuals where odds of infection are higher, viral load is higher, and time to vial clearance is longer.

So, you agree that it mutates in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Thank you.

If you have virus dividing in you... its mutating. That's how DNA replication works.

Attack! Discredit! Call names! The Alt Left movement of tolerance, I mean intolerance, is alive and well.

stanky legs wrote:

Attack! Discredit! Call names! The Alt Left movement of tolerance, I mean intolerance, is alive and well.

I outlined how the poster was clearly posting misinformation. I provided sources in this thread. Try and keep up.

Stupid is thinking the unvaccinated can possibly be spreading it more than the vaccinated. You need to understand basics Chip.

I'm assuming you quoted the wrong post? Otherwise, you sound insane.

Harambe wrote:

DanM wrote:

I believe these so-called "vaccines" are rapidly losing whatever efficacy they originally had. Provincetown proved that for all 3 brands.

There is no evidence for waning against severe disease and waning against minor disease is not "losing whatever efficacy they have."

Hospitals in the US are filled with almost exclusively unvaccinated patients.

Wejo, this is the kind of misinformation that a few posters SPAM the boards with daily. Not just posts but many threads claiming the vaccines don't work. This is WRONG. Even data from Israel supports this:

https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated

The beauty of these boards is you can point out to people where they are wrong and they and many others may change their beliefs.

They already believe what they believe.

Getting out the message you posted and what I said at the beginning (that vaccines are very effective vs death) is much more an effective message I believe for vaccine skeptics than saying no discussion allowed, the vaccine is perfect.

These people were skeptical to begin with likely. People overselling the vaccine and diminishing any side effects doesn't make these people get vaccinated. It makes them less likely to get vaccinated.

They already were starting threads mocking the calls for a 4th shot.

stanky legs wrote:

I hope that you and yours never get sick with Covid. That said, you, like Harambe, don't really care about the TRUTH. You just want your Team, the Democratic party in the United States, to win and rule at all costs. The vaccines are working, I agree. The uber hype of the Covid virus is doing more harm than the virus itself. Again, I believe in vaccines.

Truth is the vaccines are working.

How can you over hype 650k dead Americans? Weird argument.

Glad we agree tho.