USADA covers up Eliud Ngetich positive for nearly 7 years

This is totally disgusting. Piece of trash! I've been ripped off by this coward of thousand of dollars from races.

Litchfield road race, grandmas marathon, Boilermaker, mercedes Marathon and the people in Florida and Connecticut that housed this animal should be disgusted.

polevaultpower wrote:

A foreign athlete comes to the US, hits the road race circuit hard winning prize money regularly for years, fails a drug test, USADA covers it up for nearly seven years and gives the athlete a slap on the wrist claiming they helped them with something secret... and crickets from the Letsrun crowd?

I thought people here would have more opinions on this.

its grounds for firing every executive in the chain that made this decision. I don't have the power to do it though, what do you want?

there are probably a few more east african road racers with similar bans

I guess as to what he wants, you’d probably have to do your own investigation of publicly available interviews.

Getting to a “no-fault” finding is a heavy burden for all parties involved, and as we can see in the cases of Lawson and Houlihan, not always easy, or possible, especially when the defense can only start 1 or 2 months after the fact.

It sounds like you have rather high expectations for USADA, but they don’t all look realistic, or completely accurate, or all that neutral. For example, why should USADA concern itself with allegations of sexual and emotional abuse?

rekrunner wrote:

I guess as to what he wants, you’d probably have to do your own investigation of publicly available interviews.

Thank you for the precise location of your informative source.

rekrunner wrote:

Getting to a “no-fault” finding is a heavy burden for all parties involved, and as we can see in the cases of Lawson and Houlihan, not always easy, or possible, especially when the defense can only start 1 or 2 months after the fact.

Major correction: Houlihan was not a "no fault" case; in fact she was banned for an intentional anti-doping rule violation after getting testing postive for nandrolone.

rekrunner wrote:

It sounds like you have rather high expectations for USADA...

Oh. In your opinion, my "expectations" are "high"? That's not exactly a surprise.

High hopes wrote:

The key point to take away here is that USADA is as much of a mess as any other NADO. They're still dining out on the Armstrong case, a victory for them but one on which they got lucky enough to land a whistleblower. Travis Tygart casually throws around accusations about how WADA is run, most of which is just cover for his own determination to give USADA more influence. But he needs to get his house in order. Why is USADA giving warning calls to athletes ahead of an OOC test? Why are they routinely letting athletes skate if they use the tainted meat defense? Why are they allowing athletes to serve secret bans?

A larger question: how many other athletes are serving, or have served secret bans?

Well done, USADA, you've undermined your own credibility

Because USADA protects the US athletes as much as possible,the drug machine in the US is horrifically high level amd goes to the very tip,hence nearly all their bans are done by AIU or WADA,as they have no such bias.Nation of systematic diversity end of.

On the other hand, they have the nerves to write on their own About page:

ABOUT USADA

The Gold-Standard in Anti-Doping

I literally LOLed. They don't have high expectations...

Do the Fancy Bears allegations have any credibility?

Evan Jager himself confirmed it. He blamed altitude for his "likely doping" status (the only one with 5 out of 3 priority stars). That doesn't make sense, because a) altitude is built into the ABP and b) if altitude would be a sufficient reason, literally 1000 runners would be flagged as "likely doping", but that 2016 list included only 17 likely dopers (including only two Americans, Rupp + Jager).

In any case, that was early 2016, when his target-testing started. 2015 was his peak year at age 26, with the great run (and fall) in Paris, which remained his PR.

Btw, I checked the USADA 2021 testing list (runners only) during the weekend, and on top were Centro and Rupp with 16, Jager with 14, and Hasay with 12 tests in 2021. All ex-NOP or BTC.

Are you serious? The general public has never heard of Ngetich and if there was an article about him in a major news outlet, few would read it. It's likely that if a poll was taken among typical sports fans, the people that have heard of Houlihan would be in the single digits.

casual obsever wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

I guess as to what he wants, you’d probably have to do your own investigation of publicly available interviews.

Thank you for the precise location of your informative source.

rekrunner wrote:

Getting to a “no-fault” finding is a heavy burden for all parties involved, and as we can see in the cases of Lawson and Houlihan, not always easy, or possible, especially when the defense can only start 1 or 2 months after the fact.

Major correction: Houlihan was not a "no fault" case; in fact she was banned for an intentional anti-doping rule violation after getting testing positive for nandrolone.

rekrunner wrote:

It sounds like you have rather high expectations for USADA...

Oh. In your opinion, my "expectations" are "high"? That's not exactly a surprise.

For someone so critical of Tygart and USADA, seems like you should have already done some of the research yourself to figure out exactly what Tygart wants. There are no shortage of Tygart interviews where he talks about the need for WADA reform. I linked one recent one below with some representative quotes from Tygart.

The question is whether Houlihan was not a "no-fault" case as a consequence of a system that needs reform (according to Tygart, the longtime Chief of the Gold Standard in Anti-doping) due to the heavy burden and low likelihood of identifying the source on the balance of probabilities. We have seen with Lawson what the AIU demanded as evidence, combined with inaccurate testimony from AIU's expert, Prof. Ayotte, and we have seen the contrast with USADA, "one of the few National Anti-Doping Organisations (NADOs) that assists athletes in proving the source of their AAF". We have seen in a new documentary from Hajo Seppelt, that the difference between a "no-fault" and a sanction is the luck of still having one tablet left available for testing, at the athlete's expense. Maybe here the difference is that Houlihan needed to keep/freeze the portion of the burrito she did not eat.

Your high expectation bizarrely includes policing sexual and emotional abuse -- no one should be surprised that this is not anti-doping, yet you inexplicably consider this an "USADA screw-up".

Here is an article with some Tygart quotes:

Did I look at the results for the wrong guy? If not, Ngetich is a C-level Kenyan. Why the outrage? It's like getting worked up over a Single A baseball player.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Are you serious? The general public has never heard of Ngetich and if there was an article about him in a major news outlet, few would read it. It's likely that if a poll was taken among typical sports fans, the people that have heard of Houlihan would be in the single digits.

Did I look at the results for the wrong guy? If not, Ngetich is a C-level Kenyan. Why the outrage? It's like getting worked up over a Single A baseball player.

You have completely missed the point. The point is: there is no consistency with how the authorities and hence the media treat each case. Look at the Coleman case, Houlihan, Richardson and this guy. Where is the consistency? Ultimately the rules are whatever they choose them to be today. The inner circle that control the sport may see some sense to that but to the general public the sport becomes like cycling, an incestuous sport that contrives to protect its reputation and get the events it feels the public want to see. Meanwhile the public is left with the feeling that when they watch an event they are really just watching to see the best connected cheat win.

What's the rationale for giving this random dude (no offense to him) a random ban?

Hoilihan and Richardson are world class athletes and Ngetich, according to ARRS, has career earnings of $75K. Only hard core distance fans will will care about whether Ngetich received special treatment.

I had never heard of him until this thread and he does not qualify to be a "what about" for Houlihan.

It's much easier to understand Tygart's motivations if you stop thinking of him as a sporting figure. He's a politician and his main motivation is increasing the power and influence of his organisation. From interviews, he seems to think that USADA deserves that because of the US's financial contributions to WADA. He wants to r form WADA to bring it closer to how USADA operates but the state of doping in US sports undermines his claims for greater USADA influence. USADA is failing to do its job in high-profile cases. Tygart's claims for greater USADA influence would have more impact if his people did their job properly

Bail Bond Leon wrote:

[quote]Steve The Addict^^^^^^^------- wrote:

Do the Fancy Bears allegations have any credibility?

Fancy Bears "is a Russian cyber espionage group. Cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike has said with a medium level of confidence that it is associated with the Russian military intelligence agency GRU".

Data was leaked just after Russia was banned from 2016 Olympics and the only Russian athletes on the list were the whistle blowers who spoke up about state programmes.

So, looks like serious state-sponsored propaganda to me and therefore has little credibility.

AppleOrApricot wrote:

Fancy Bears "is a Russian cyber espionage group. Cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike has said with a medium level of confidence that it is associated with the Russian military intelligence agency GRU".

Source =

High hopes wrote:

USADA is failing to do its job in high-profile cases.

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rippedmusy wrote:

This is totally disgusting. Piece of trash! I've been ripped off by this coward of thousand of dollars from races.

Litchfield road race, grandmas marathon, Boilermaker, mercedes Marathon and the people in Florida and Connecticut that housed this animal should be disgusted.

rippedmusy,

Any person checking the banned athlete lists and not finding his name over the past seven years would feel safe issuing an invitation. How are race directors and athlete coordinators to know about dirty athletes that are not (quickly) reported? The disgust should be directed to the failure of doping control, not the races you listed.