Down goes the World record

doctorj wrote:

In 1976 I was in Coamo P.R. when the men's world record was set at 1:03:46 by Rafael Angel Perez. Who would've known I would live to see the woman's record fall by 2 seconds off that mark back in the days. Damn in old!!!!

A woman's running record today is faster than the men's record for the same distance in 1976? I'm surprised women are not yet running the mile as fast as John Walker. Obviously more drugs are needed.

Armstronglivs wrote:

doctorj wrote:

In 1976 I was in Coamo P.R. when the men's world record was set at 1:03:46 by Rafael Angel Perez. Who would've known I would live to see the woman's record fall by 2 seconds off that mark back in the days. Damn in old!!!!

A woman's running record today is faster than the men's record for the same distance in 1976? I'm surprised women are not yet running the mile as fast as John Walker. Obviously more drugs are needed.

Half marathon record was pretty weak at that point - seeing as D Clayton once split 1:03:22 enroute to a full (albeit on the fast portion) in 1967.

BS wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

A woman's running record today is faster than the men's record for the same distance in 1976? I'm surprised women are not yet running the mile as fast as John Walker. Obviously more drugs are needed.

Half marathon record was pretty weak at that point - seeing as D Clayton once split 1:03:22 enroute to a full (albeit on the fast portion) in 1967.

Duh! But these idiot trolls are too stupid to even know that and want to bring up any random data point to support their View that the Africans are doping.

And of course no one even brings up the shoes which are the absolute main reason times have dropped rapidly in the last few years. now they just conveniently ignore that to say "these times are insane!!! must be doping!"

Why is there so little coverage of this on a running website?

You're hilarious. You right allllllll those words and not a single mention of the shoe Revolution which clearly clearly clearly has had a major influence on the time drops we are seeing. Have you been living under a rock or are you just willfully ignorant so you can better make PED accusations?

And you lumping the brief East German / Soviet Bloc female domination in track and field with the de ades long East African domination of distance running in both males and females is laughable. There are so many differences and so much more proof of systematic doping in the former compared to the latter that it is an incredibly lazy argument.

So what is your opinion of young Jakob, who smashes all of these doped up African runners?

BS wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

A woman's running record today is faster than the men's record for the same distance in 1976? I'm surprised women are not yet running the mile as fast as John Walker. Obviously more drugs are needed.

Half marathon record was pretty weak at that point - seeing as D Clayton once split 1:03:22 enroute to a full (albeit on the fast portion) in 1967.

So the old argument that a record was always "weak" when it gets beaten. Not that it has likely taken another doper to beat it.

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

BS wrote:

Half marathon record was pretty weak at that point - seeing as D Clayton once split 1:03:22 enroute to a full (albeit on the fast portion) in 1967.

Duh! But these idiot trolls are too stupid to even know that and want to bring up any random data point to support their View that the Africans are doping.

And of course no one even brings up the shoes which are the absolute main reason times have dropped rapidly in the last few years. now they just conveniently ignore that to say "these times are insane!!! must be doping!"

Apparently you were not alive in 1976, to see how women can now run faster than some of the fastest men in that era. Perfectly normal. It's just the "shoes". And something far more potent.

Yalemzerf Yehualaw in Hengelo 8 june 2021 10000 in 30:20 3'02/km that time gives me a shape for 1:06:50 half marathon and that race wasnt slow cos it was Etiophian trials and Gidey did WR 29:01.

Then 12 june 5000 in Nice 14:53" 2'59/km with wave light technology this is equivalent at 1:08 half marathon.

Then at Antrim half marathon 1:03 :44 3'01/km this means that she can run a 28'55" 10000 and a 13'53" 5000 and of course a sub 2:13:30 marathon

So basically at Antrim she run way faster than the 10000 trials in Hengelo that was a super fast race................. I mean IF YOU ARE ABLE TO RUN AN HALF MARATHON AT 3'01/KM ON THE ROAD HOW IS POSSIBLE THAT ON THE TRACK WITH WAVE LIGHT PERFECT PACING YOU HAVE A PACE OF 3'02/KM MISSING THE QUALIFICATION FOR TOKIO????? PROBABLY WAS OUT OF SHAPE ? HMMMMMM NO WAY ,,IT SOUNDS SO MUCH STRANGE TO ME

Considering women's track participation in distance events was severely limited until recent years and the dampening effect that will have had on participation rates along with outdated ideas of women's roles, etc, its not that surprising that women's world records are now falling quickly.

Also, you need to find another adjective than "ridiculous" - using it that much just ridicules your claims.

incredible time

Bluesky wrote:

Yalemzerf Yehualaw in Hengelo 8 june 2021 10000 in 30:20 3'02/km that time gives me a shape for 1:06:50 half marathon and that race wasnt slow cos it was Etiophian trials and Gidey did WR 29:01.

Then 12 june 5000 in Nice 14:53" 2'59/km with wave light technology this is equivalent at 1:08 half marathon.

Then at Antrim half marathon 1:03 :44 3'01/km this means that she can run a 28'55" 10000 and a 13'53" 5000 and of course a sub 2:13:30 marathon

So basically at Antrim she run way faster than the 10000 trials in Hengelo that was a super fast race................. I mean IF YOU ARE ABLE TO RUN AN HALF MARATHON AT 3'01/KM ON THE ROAD HOW IS POSSIBLE THAT ON THE TRACK WITH WAVE LIGHT PERFECT PACING YOU HAVE A PACE OF 3'02/KM MISSING THE QUALIFICATION FOR TOKIO????? PROBABLY WAS OUT OF SHAPE ? HMMMMMM NO WAY ,,IT SOUNDS SO MUCH STRANGE TO ME

Some good points raised here!

Armstronglivs wrote:

So the old argument that a record was always "weak" when it gets beaten. Not that it has likely taken another doper to beat it.

Most women records are relatively weak. Same for the men in “off events” - PV, triple jump, etc.

The talent hasn’t been given enough time to develop, or the talent pool is simply shallow. Add in the technological advances and it makes some old/even current records weaker.

Even American white women couldn’t run the Boston marathon until 50 years ago.

Primitive cultures still try and stop women from competing in sport.

Derartu Tulu, legend and Ethiopian Athletics Federation President accuses Ethiopian athletes of cheating for easy money.

The Antrim record run by the Ethiopian had basically two 30:12s back to back. Tulu, two-time gold medallist owns a best of 30:17.....

...off the charts.

the macdaddy og yo wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

So the old argument that a record was always "weak" when it gets beaten. Not that it has likely taken another doper to beat it.

Most women records are relatively weak. Same for the men in “off events” - PV, triple jump, etc.

The talent hasn’t been given enough time to develop, or the talent pool is simply shallow. Add in the technological advances and it makes some old/even current records weaker.

Even American white women couldn’t run the Boston marathon until 50 years ago.

Primitive cultures still try and stop women from competing in sport.

If a record is weak it wouldn't be a record because any good athlete in the event could beat it. Records are set by the best athletes in the event and are only beaten by the best. It is pointless comparing records in different events - because they are different events with different requirements and the records are more often than not set by different athletes.