Elise MF Cranny

Lol you guys crack me up.

Cranny at Stanford did not seem to be progressing until her last year but she has done very, very well with Jerry's group. 8:30 is quick and Quigley, Houlihan, and Schweizer all ran faster indoors for the same group, while Rowbury and Simpson, plus Slaney, ran faster outdoors. But I don't think any ran faster than 8:25. So, Cranny could get potentially get that American record next year or the following with Houlihan out of the picture and Schweizer down from her 14:26 shape.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Cranny at Stanford did not seem to be progressing until her last year but she has done very, very well with Jerry's group. 8:30 is quick and Quigley, Houlihan, and Schweizer all ran faster indoors for the same group, while Rowbury and Simpson, plus Slaney, ran faster outdoors. But I don't think any ran faster than 8:25. So, Cranny could get potentially get that American record next year or the following with Houlihan out of the picture and Schweizer down from her 14:26 shape.

I actually think Cranny could very well be in 14:30 shape right now.

Yes. No surprise there.

birdbeard wrote:

I actually think Cranny could very well be in 14:30 shape right now.

830 maps to 1447/30:43. Those are right at cranny's PRs. We havent anything to suggest she is in 1430 shape. hard to judge the olympics with weather and all but a sub 1440 would be a very nice improvement.

ddidididid wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

I actually think Cranny could very well be in 14:30 shape right now.

830 maps to 1447/30:43. Those are right at cranny's PRs. We havent anything to suggest she is in 1430 shape. hard to judge the olympics with weather and all but a sub 1440 would be a very nice improvement.

It must feel awesome to be so hard to impress.

ddidididid wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

I actually think Cranny could very well be in 14:30 shape right now.

830 maps to 1447/30:43. Those are right at cranny's PRs. We havent anything to suggest she is in 1430 shape. hard to judge the olympics with weather and all but a sub 1440 would be a very nice improvement.

8:30 is probably worth sub-14:40, definitely faster than 14:47. It’s her strongest PR, though not shocking for the U.S. 5k champ.

Monsoon ran 840 her best as well . Probably had a chance to be in the mid 830’s but lost contact early and couldn’t find that last gear I guess .

It's a good time and PR but it only ranks her fourth among BTC. Schweizer (8:25), Houlihan (8:26) and former BTC Quigley (8:28) have all run faster indoors.

ya, that's indoors, this is outdoors.

quack attack wrote:

Monsoon ran 840 her best as well . Probably had a chance to be in the mid 830’s but lost contact early and couldn’t find that last gear I guess .

Well, I don’t think it’s Monson’s best PR. 14:48 is a bit superior.

FWIW, here are Cranny and Monson’s PBs with WA point values:

Cranny

1500 - 4:02.62 - 1185

3k - 8:30.30 - 1207

5k - 14:48.02 - 1186

10k - 30:47.42 - 1204

Monson

1500 - 4:07.09 - 1149

3k - 8:40.08 - 1173

5k - 14:48.49 - 1185

10k - 31:10.84 - 1183

retrofit wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

Probably. Looks like she is back to their famous food truck diet.

Are they all doping in that program? Or was Shelby s one off?

No such think. Look at the Team Postal story. It is never one member of a team doping. Either they all are or none are so as soon as any single one gets popped you know without a shadow of a doubt they are all on the same juice. One just messed up the timing or got unlucky with the random test.

[quote]John Wesley Harding wrote:

FWIW, here are Cranny . . . . WA point values:

Cranny

1500 - 4:02.62 - 1185

3k - 8:30.30 - 1207

5k - 14:48.02 - 1186

10k - 30:47.42 - 1204[quote]

1207 point value is, I believe, sub-4 for 1500.

In any case, hope Elise can get into one final 1500 in the next couple weeks, break 4, then go into 2022 as a 1500m favorite for Worlds -- and possibly do a 1500/5k double at USAs.

Elise has repeatedly stated her favorite event is still the 1500 -- and possibly is still her best event.

That 4:02.6 w/60 close from the Portland Track Festival shows she should be able to maintain pace with anyone from the US and finish better than any US woman not named EPSP.

jduw8whdifu wrote:

No such think. Look at the Team Postal story. It is never one member of a team doping. Either they all are or none are so as soon as any single one gets popped you know without a shadow of a doubt they are all on the same juice. One just messed up the timing or got unlucky with the random test.

+1

Or they didn't expect AIU to come after them. With the overly lenient USADA's courtesy calls, the dopers have time to start masking and diluting, or in the worst case of glowing way too much, going shopping or hiding in the bedroom.

Eh I don’t see why she would go back to the 1500. She seems a decent bit better at the longer stuff. Or at least Jerry’s training is more suited to it.

Bower Man II wrote:

In any case, hope Elise can get into one final 1500 in the next couple weeks, break 4, then go into 2022 as a 1500m favorite for Worlds -- and possibly do a 1500/5k double at USAs.

She needs to run at least 3:57 to become “a 1500m favorite for Worlds,” and even at that point a medal is unlikely.

Makes the other (3) BTC women all going under 8:30 even more suspicious.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

ddidididid wrote:

830 maps to 1447/30:43. Those are right at cranny's PRs. We havent anything to suggest she is in 1430 shape. hard to judge the olympics with weather and all but a sub 1440 would be a very nice improvement.

8:30 is probably worth sub-14:40, definitely faster than 14:47. It’s her strongest PR, though not shocking for the U.S. 5k champ.

My theorizing was more based on her Olympics race in the heat -- I think it's worth 14:30s. Who knows.

I think she has a shot at the ARs in the 3000 and 5000, although of course Karissa, Elle Purrier St. Pierre, and Josette Norris, et al might have better shots (especially EPSP).

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Bower Man II wrote:

In any case, hope Elise can get into one final 1500 in the next couple weeks, break 4, then go into 2022 as a 1500m favorite for Worlds -- and possibly do a 1500/5k double at USAs.

She needs to run at least 3:57 to become “a 1500m favorite for Worlds,” and even at that point a medal is unlikely.

Yeah. Realistically with the state of women's distance running it's hard to see any of the BTC women medaling in the 1500, 5000, or 10,000 but from an objective standpoint, unless she runs 3:57-8 I think her best event will remain the 5000.