From GOLD to 14th - has any Olympic 1500 winner placed lower than Centro in a follow-up games?

Vancomycin wrote:

Centro is top 5-10 1500m runner EVER

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

He isn't even top 10 THIS YEAR. Duh.

His PB is ranked something like 50th all-time, right?

TRUTH. The OP is angry and lost. You have already went all in defending Biles, which is understandable, but for the wrong reasons and it shows. Drop the political identity from your persona and you will find a happier life.

has-been, or never-was? wrote:

Vancomycin wrote:

Centro is top 5-10 1500m runner EVER

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

He isn't even top 10 THIS YEAR. Duh.

His PB is ranked something like 50th all-time, right?

I can see an argument for top 10 all time. You don't need to be top 10 every year of your career to be top 10 all time. Morceili wasn't near the top 10 for a few years, but he's still top 10 all time.

Centro is 47 all time by PB but not nearly all of the people ahead of him have Olympic gold. With his championship pedigree, he ranks higher than many of the people with better PBs. For instance, is Jakob a better 1500m runner? Right now, I'd rank Centro with 4 global medals + 3:30 as better than Jakob with 0 global medals and 3:28.

Would you say Ahmad Hassan Abdullah is a better 10000m runner than Mo Farah because he's 8 seconds faster by 10k PB? If you do, then there's no reason to take you seriously. It's a bit of an extreme example, but it goes to show that PB isn't everything.

Put the top 50 1500m runners by PB in a championship in their prime and I'd bet that Centro comes out in the top 10.

Peach Pit wrote:

Right now, I'd rank Centro with 4 global medals + 3:30 as better than Jakob with 0 global medals and 3:28.

Centro has one Oly gold and a WC silver + bronze. What is this "4 global medals" talk?? (Do NOT say 2016 world indoors in Portland lololol. 2nd place was Jakub Holusa FFS...meaning nobody cares about indoors and they doubly don't care in an Olympic year.)

Peach Pit wrote:

Put the top 50 1500m runners by PB in a championship in their prime and I'd bet that Centro comes out in the top 10.

Is this a joke??

Literally HE JUST RACED the top 48 in the world and came 14th!!!! You know that, right? (And this field was limited to 3 per country, certainly not with everyone in their prime.) DUH.

Centro has a similar record and ability to Fermin Cacho, except after his slow gold in 1992 (not as slow as Centro 2016) Cacho came back and got silver in 1996.

Do you rank FERMIN CACHO in the top 5-10 of all time? Because he has more WC/Oly medals than Centro lol and ran a 3:28 in 1997!!! Wherever Cacho is on the list, Centro is objectively below that.

Matthew Cachowitz.

I think I heard that the gold medalist for the 50km race walking race from Rio also came 14th today lol.

To the Centrowitz fans, for the defending champion to fail to make the final is still somehow a win.

has-been, or never-was? wrote:

Fact: Most legit gold medalists don't bomb out this badly in their next games.

Of course, many runners retire after a gold (often because they recognize their own decline).

But has any former gold medalist in the 1500m placed this poorly in the next games? Or ANY event?

A 13-place drop seems like a useful indicator of validity vs fluke-factor of the original gold.

Please, no fanboy promotional whining on this thread. Just answer if you know of a 1500 winner who did worse in their follow-up. Hell, name any winners who crashed so badly. (Or name name those who did better, which is a much longer list!)

First of all, it's been 5 years, not 4 since the last Olympics, and that is significant. The guy is 31, not exactly prime for a miler.

He ran a 3:33:xx in a heat, and just broke 3:50 for the mile a few weeks ago.

He's got absolutely nothing to apologize for or be embarrassed about.

Moronic post.

I'm procrastinating on my work so looked up what happened to every 1500 winner since 1980 in their subsequent games. Tl;dr Centro was the worst of former champs who made the field, but only about 50% even qualified in the first place.

2016: Centrowitz - placed 14th in 2020 semis, did not make final

2012: Makhloufi - won 2016 silver

2008: Kiprop - placed 12th in 2012 final

2004: El Guerrouj - retired, did not contest 2008 Olympics

2000: Ngeny - did not contest 2004 Olympics

1996: Morceli - did not contest 2000 Olympics (though did compete in 5,000)

1992: Cacho - won 1996 silver

1988: Rono - did not contest 1992 Olympics

1984: Coe - did not contest 1988 Olympics

1980: Coe - won 1984 gold

has-been, or never-was? wrote:

Hey Siri wrote:

In 1956 Josy Barthel came in as the defending champ and finished second last in his semi-final.

LOL DUDE GOES BACK TO 1956!!!!!

You seemed unaware of any history so that doesn't really matter.

bad premise wrote:

Kiprop won gold in 2008 and finished DFL in the 2012 final.

Noah Ngeny won 2000 and failed to qualify for the Kenyan team in 2004 (albeit he suffered some pretty serious injuries…although he still ran 3:34 that year).

Morceli won 1996 and finished DFL in the 2000 semifinal (when he was 31 — same age as Centro now).

Thread’s a joke. 1500’s one of the most difficult events to repeat in.

Lol op get sh!t on

Now he can blame covid after touching 200+ hands after the mile attempt and then touching his face (repeatedly).

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1) I am no fanboy...just looking objectively here.

2) Never was? Um...no. Dude has 4 Olympic/World Championships medals, 2 of them gold. To even ask if he is a "never was" is beyond ridiculous.

3) He just ran 3:33. That's his second fastest 1500 ever in championship competition. That's pretty damn good.

4) He is one of the best racers the US has ever had. Yes, he does better off a slower pace, but the goal is to win the race and secondarily to medal, and he has done that multiple times.

5) Beyond bizarre that someone would slam him based on his running record.

myrskyla wrote:

has-been, or never-was? wrote:

Fact: Most legit gold medalists don't bomb out this badly in their next games.

Of course, many runners retire after a gold (often because they recognize their own decline).

But has any former gold medalist in the 1500m placed this poorly in the next games? Or ANY event?

A 13-place drop seems like a useful indicator of validity vs fluke-factor of the original gold.

Please, no fanboy promotional whining on this thread. Just answer if you know of a 1500 winner who did worse in their follow-up. Hell, name any winners who crashed so badly. (Or name name those who did better, which is a much longer list!)

I truly don’t understand Americans. You seem gleeful that your OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALIST has failed. In my country, they are heroes.

You’re assuming that chode is American.

has-been, or never-was? wrote:

Fact: Most legit gold medalists don't bomb out this badly in their next games.

Of course, many runners retire after a gold (often because they recognize their own decline).

But has any former gold medalist in the 1500m placed this poorly in the next games? Or ANY event?

A 13-place drop seems like a useful indicator of validity vs fluke-factor of the original gold.

Please, no fanboy promotional whining on this thread. Just answer if you know of a 1500 winner who did worse in their follow-up. Hell, name any winners who crashed so badly. (Or name name those who did better, which is a much longer list!)

I get math and numbers are hard, but he didn’t finish 14th. You might want to look again.

has-been, or never-was? wrote:

Fact: Most legit gold medalists don't bomb out this badly in their next games.

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Morceli was 24th. Coe couldn't make his team despite trying. Pretty good company if you ask me.

The list of winners who could back up their wins by making the semis 4 years later is pretty short....

Centro was one of only like 3 returning gold medalists who made it back to the games.

Research wrote:

I'm procrastinating on my work so looked up what happened to every 1500 winner since 1980 in their subsequent games. Tl;dr Centro was the worst of former champs who made the field, but only about 50% even qualified in the first place.

2016: Centrowitz - placed 14th in 2020 semis, did not make final

2012: Makhloufi - won 2016 silver

2008: Kiprop - placed 12th in 2012 final

2004: El Guerrouj - retired, did not contest 2008 Olympics

2000: Ngeny - did not contest 2004 Olympics

1996: Morceli - did not contest 2000 Olympics (though did compete in 5,000)

1992: Cacho - won 1996 silver

1988: Rono - did not contest 1992 Olympics

1984: Coe - did not contest 1988 Olympics

1980: Coe - won 1984 gold

Also notable is that every single one of those men who actually made it to the Olympics and defended their titles was younger than Centrowitz is now (31 years old, turning 32 in October). In fact, I could only find ONE instance of a defending 1500 meter champion performing better at the age of 31 or older. That was Kip Keino in 1972, when he followed up his '68 gold with a silver at the age of 32.

We can argue whether Centro underperformed based on his current fitness, but even in that regard, I'm not sure he did. Just based on his 3:33 1500 and 3:49 mile, nothing screams "top 8 runner who blew it by missing the finals". Maybe he mistimed his peak and travel/adjusting to Tokyo time zone, and will run a lot faster later in the season - who knows. But overall, it looks like his level of fitness matched up decently well with his semifinal race. Experience counts for something, but if you are a 3:33 runner going up against 3:27-3:30 guys, there is only so much you can do.

Will he time trial again?

What can he run?

3:30? 3:29 with perfect conditions?

What about 3k? He could try for 7:30.

Most Olympic Games are only 4 years apart not 5. I think we are seeing drastic changes from the last games because of that all over.