Kara Goucher MISGENDERS non-binary Nikki Hiltz. Uses HER pro-noun and not THEY/THEM

Dwightarm wrote:

beuner wrote:

A little bit ironic that you guys are calling out the angry internet mob

This.

I don’t get this forum sometimes. Seems like it’s the same handful of posters who just like to instigate drama. Low lives.

yet you take the time to respond.---with a registered name, you've surely been around long enough to understand this forum---don't respond.

Please imagine the world this is creating:

Kara has enough PC-goodwill/clout that her apology will suffice. Imagine you're a regular dude, working a corporate job, with a family, and you make this kind of mistake... you're canned. You're apology won't matter because *they don't want you in the fight in a corporation* - they want a reason to get rid of you. Stop giving them this power.

This bs needs to end. For the sake of us all.

CCB wrote:

I thought Kara did great tonight. Remembering to use the right pronoun isn’t easy. Also, is it that big of a deal that it took her a while to realize Abby was going for the standard. She owned up to it once she realized it. Maybe she thought Abby had the standard. Kara is much better than the woman who was the commentator for NCAAs.

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krispy kremlin._._._. wrote:

Please imagine the world this is creating:

Kara has enough PC-goodwill/clout that her apology will suffice. Imagine you're a regular dude, working a corporate job, with a family, and you make this kind of mistake... you're canned. You're apology won't matter because *they don't want you in the fight in a corporation* - they want a reason to get rid of you. Stop giving them this power.

This bs needs to end. For the sake of us all.

I know a guy at the Boise Boys and Girls club who got fired for accidentally misgendering someone who was transitioning. It was a genuine mistake but they complained and he got the can. It's a terrible precedent.

Nikki Hiltz is a WOMAN...FEMALE...GIRL.

CCB wrote:

I thought Kara did great tonight. Remembering to use the right pronoun isn’t easy. Also, is it that big of a deal that it took her a while to realize Abby was going for the standard. She owned up to it once she realized it. Maybe she thought Abby had the standard. Kara is much better than the woman who was the commentator for NCAAs.

The little I saw Kara is horrible. She said the huge pack of 8 or 9 left in the 10000m all have great kicks. So utterly stupid and ill informed.

She is the woman's field. She has to be labeled as a woman. She. She She.

master mechanic wrote:

Are we supposed to refer to Nikki as "they"? I'm a little behind the times, sorry.

Yes, they recently came out as plural

Ridiculous. It was the WOMENS'S 5000m race.

No matter what she claims she feels like, no matter what she could change with surgery and hormones, she will always be a woman. People seem to be very selective in what "science" they chose to believe.

Javman wrote:

Nikki Hiltz is a WOMAN...FEMALE...GIRL.

Not only that, but SHE is singular. She is not two people or three, they used to call that Sybil. She is one person, SHE is not a they.

two legs wrote:

Javman wrote:

Nikki Hiltz is a WOMAN...FEMALE...GIRL.

Not only that, but SHE is singular. She is not two people or three, they used to call that Sybil. She is one person, SHE is not a they.

Correct. And what if somebody mistakenly referred to someone as they? How the hell is anyone supposed to always know the correct pronoun ? According to who? They just make up the rules as they go along because they want to feel special. You ain’t special. Just narcissistic.

The AP stylebook now allows they for singular use.

Personally, if we truly want equality, everyone is a they. Some languages like Finnish have neutral gender pronouns.

I don’t really have a horse in the game, but if you can me they — it’s ok!

Fortunately Nikki won't make the Olympic team. So we won't have to worry about referring to it at all.

Nikki knowingly entered the women’s 1500m, therefore acknowledging the gender she identifies with. If Nikki entered men’s 1500m races and refused to ever run in female races, she would be taken more seriously by truly identifying as a man.

Snapshot wrote:

Correct. And what if somebody mistakenly referred to someone as they? How the hell is anyone supposed to always know the correct pronoun ? According to who? They just make up the rules as they go along because they want to feel special. You ain’t special. Just narcissistic.

These people are so full of themselves. One of the primary purposes of pronouns is so I can talk about or refer to a person without knowing any details about the person, such as their actual name.

Picking out your own pronoun is lamer than insisting people call you by a nickname that you gave yourself.

agree 100 per wrote:

Nikki knowingly entered the women’s 1500m, therefore acknowledging the gender she identifies with. If Nikki entered men’s 1500m races and refused to ever run in female races, she would be taken more seriously by truly identifying as a man.

Transgender does not always mean ‘opposite gender.’

It can mean non-binary. This is what Nikki identifies as. I mean, is it surprising to anyone? They’ve always looked gender fluid to me, even before they made the declaration.

please call me t-bone wrote:

Snapshot wrote:

Correct. And what if somebody mistakenly referred to someone as they? How the hell is anyone supposed to always know the correct pronoun ? According to who? They just make up the rules as they go along because they want to feel special. You ain’t special. Just narcissistic.

These people are so full of themselves. One of the primary purposes of pronouns is so I can talk about or refer to a person without knowing any details about the person, such as their actual name.

Picking out your own pronoun is lamer than insisting people call you by a nickname that you gave yourself.

Yes and I do not encourage anyone to be mean or bully these people. It is not that at all. But this pronoun sensitivity is too much, especially with Kara saying she is sick because she is sorry she referred to a participant in the women’s race with a female pronoun. Kara please do not be so phony. You did nothing to apologize for but now you have made yourself look ridiculous with this attempt to apologize. Now you have offended me with your apology. Will you now apologize to me? Where does it end?

guys its fine this is a nothing burger, Nikki was fine with it. they even said on a podcast they didn't want to cancel anyone.

agree 100 per wrote:

Nikki knowingly entered the women’s 1500m, therefore acknowledging the gender she identifies with. If Nikki entered men’s 1500m races and refused to ever run in female races, she would be taken more seriously by truly identifying as a man.

^ This. If Nikki thinks she is a man, she should not be in a women's race.

And if she identifies as "they," she should need to produce separate qualifying times for each person covered by that plural pronoun.