Covid-19 - Britain strain might be 30% more deadly.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

xczvzxcv wrote:

Give evidence to show that "fear mongering" caused any deaths due to COVID.

You don't think scaring people away from getting needed medical treatment killed anyone this year? That is won't kill people down the road either? Why do we even have hospitals then; just to treat covid patients and nobody else?

I think hospitals not having room to deal with more regular causes of hospitalization because they're overwhelmed with COVID-19 might have killed people.

Kepoughtsie wrote:

More deadly AND the various vaccines are ineffective on it.

Nope.

No indication of that as of yet..

AndIf that happens, they are all over it..

From article:

“We currently have no evidence that the vaccines being used do not work against the new Covid-19 strains"

Lets all agree not to hype the dangers of this already overhyped virus with information not based in science shall we ?

Tatar wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

You don't think scaring people away from getting needed medical treatment killed anyone this year? That is won't kill people down the road either? Why do we even have hospitals then; just to treat covid patients and nobody else?

I think hospitals not having room to deal with more regular causes of hospitalization because they're overwhelmed with COVID-19 might have killed people.

Of course this is true in the cases where hospitals have actually been overwhlemed, and there are many but the majority of hospitals have not be inundated to the point where they can't take care of people in need. People are avoiding care that is needed which is not a good thing; see the CDC article above; this on the fear mongering trolls and the news media who could have spun the pandemic in a more realistic light.

Budda wrote:

Boris had a press conference today.

Said new strain might be 30% more deadly.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/22/new-uk-covid-variant-may-be-more-deadly-says-boris-johnson

You “might” be worthless.

Budda wrote:

Kepoughtsie wrote:

More deadly AND the various vaccines are ineffective on it.

Nope.

No indication of that as of yet..

AndIf that happens, they are all over it..

From article:

“We currently have no evidence that the vaccines being used do not work against the new Covid-19 strains"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/22/mhra-vaccine-makers-covid-variants

Lets all agree not to hype the dangers of this already overhyped virus with information not based in science shall we ?

Agreed.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Of course this is true in the cases where hospitals have actually been overwhlemed, and there are many but the majority of hospitals have not be inundated to the point where they can't take care of people in need. People are avoiding care that is needed which is not a good thing; see the CDC article above; this on the fear mongering trolls and the news media who could have spun the pandemic in a more realistic light.

Both scenarios are happening unfotunately.

As mentioned: In London currently, 55% of all hospital beds are occupied by covid patients.

That's obviously a problem.

Last spring in Norway: Operations postponed / hospital beds emptied in preparation of a covid wave that never materialzed..

Obviously also a problem.

And then, of course you have all sorts of irrational behaviour like people not seeing their doctor when sick in fear of getting covid..

Some people are more irrational than others.

This guy would be high on the list..

Budda wrote:

Kepoughtsie wrote:

More deadly AND the various vaccines are ineffective on it.

Nope.

No indication of that as of yet..

AndIf that happens, they are all over it..

“We currently have no evidence that the vaccines being used do not work against the new Covid-19 strains"

Lets all agree not to hype the dangers of this already overhyped virus with information not based in science shall we ?

“We currently have no evidence that the vaccines being used do not work against the new Covid-19 strains" - TRANSLATION: "We have no evidence that the vaccines do work for any new Covid-19 strains, and there is no presumption of any kind whatsoever that they do."

If this is fear mongering, we need a lot more of it because we are entering into a very dangerous phase of this pandemic. The UK has been in a relatively strict lockdown for two weeks and infection rates are still very high. And no one really knows why.

This variant is present in the US and is expected to become the dominant variant in 6-8 weeks. That could mean yet another massive surge in cases, especially in states where little is being done to deal with the current surge like TX, AZ, Fl, GA, etc.

Worse still is the emergence of escape variants. In Brazil a variant has been able to defeat prior COVID immunity. Manaus, Brazil had very high infection rates as the Bolsinaro government did nothing to stop the spread last spring. It was expected that Manaus had reached herd immunity through natural infection. But Manaus is seeing another massive outbreak due to a new variant.

The window on beating COVID is beginning to close. The more the virus is allowed to circulate, the more likely more escape variants will emerge and the more contagious variants will take over. But if everyone would actually take this damn thing seriously and stop going to restaurants and bars, stop having parties. get high quality masks and get vaccinated ASAP, we may just beat this virus at the eleventh hour. Anything short of that risks going back to square one with COVID and the possibility that masks and social distancing will be permanent.

That's your wet dream Roy. Keep your fingers crossed.

In all seriousness, I love how, in the same post, you admit that no one knows why it's spreading in the UK when they're under strict lockdown but then say that we can do something to control it by...having strict lockdowns. I know it makes your head hurt to think that it might be our of our control, but it might be out of our control. Just embrace it.

Yes, standard Covid kills 10 in 1000, the new strain kills 13 in 1000.

Budda wrote:

RyecorDone wrote:

It isn't more deadly. It just spreads more easily, so there is a greater likelihood of more ilnesses and deaths.

What you said is what was initially reported.

What I wrote was what Boris Johnson said in his press conference today..

Buddha is spelled with an h.

Who cares what Boris says?

fred wrote:

Budda wrote:

What you said is what was initially reported.

What I wrote was what Boris Johnson said in his press conference today..

Buddha is spelled with an h.

Who cares what Boris says?

Haha.

Well, that depends if we are talking about the former indian prince or my chosen handle.

Boris is a populist clown and I don't particularly care what he says about most things.

In this instance he was referring to what 4 groups of the most distinguished researchers in the UK are saying.

I tend towards listening to them until someone with as much credibility produces better data.

Budda wrote:

fred wrote:

Buddha is spelled with an h.

Who cares what Boris says?

Haha.

Well, that depends if we are talking about the former indian prince or my chosen handle.

Boris is a populist clown and I don't particularly care what he says about most things.

In this instance he was referring to what 4 groups of the most distinguished researchers in the UK are saying.

I tend towards listening to them until someone with as much credibility produces better data.

Precious, people like yourself promoting fear thinking you are saving lives really are deluded. You are contributing to the problem. The fear and panic kills; meaning you are the killer in 2020, it is partly your fault. Stop yourself with all of your extrapolates lies. Also, did you ever think the the UK troubles are because they lockdown/restrict so hard; all "locking down" does is promote bad health behavior resulting in worse health outcomes. You really are a 1-dimensional thinker, just up and down for you. You are, while pretending to be virtuous, promoting death. Take some responsibility and stop yourself if you actually care about people and care about saving lives. Maybe you could spend your time promoting the new vaccines and making sure the elderly who need them get them; that would be a better use of your passion. You are a classic example of what has plagued the world in 2020; an over-zealousness characterized by excessive efforts to be virtuous that in the end do so much more harm than good. Fear is deadly, your type of fear has been deadly and is responsible in part for the lives lost this past year.

ImpaIa31 wrote:

coach wrote:

I dont know people that are scared easily from Covid might be the type who think every bump, cough, burp and fart is cancer and might go to the Dr for everything

It was in the news today, where my parents live (not the US). A doctor, invited to a program on TV, telling about patients with heart problems who, because of fear of catching covid in the hospitals, have died at home or who sought help too late and ended up dying in hospital when the condition could have been treated earlier.

He said he personally knew a handful of people who died in such circumstances.

This is no conspiracy theory. This is not saying covid doesn't exist. This is reality whether you believe it or not.

Of course this is a concern. This has to be balanced with that fact that people should avoid hospitals if they can! People are right to be scared of hospitals, they are filled with contagious COVID patients!

I'm sure there are several cases of delayed care leading to death, that is sad. However, a lot of the stuff that lockdown fear-mongers have promised me is going to materialize... never has. Suicides are down or flat in most places, for example.

I would need to see data on care avoidance, of which I'm sure there will be plenty in the coming months.

Regardless, clearly this is less of a dangerous issue than COVID itself (400k excess deaths). Dialing in the messaging perfectly to perfectly direct people toward/away from care depending on true need is... impossible? I'd love to hear anyone's suggestions for improvements.

Between the WHO organisation and the October Imperial College study one thing stands out: the death rate in the UK with medical intervention is over 3x what it is in developing countries.

Why? I invite anyone to visit their local shops and have a look around. The Westerner is in awful physical condition by 40, and by 50 many are on numerous medications to stay healthy (as any GP / nurse practitioner can tell you). And, to be frank, it begins much sooner than that. The skinny fat pandemic in young men is out of control (insulin resistance / poor hormonal profile - which seems to be statistically supported by all the studies done on declining levels of testosterone even in the normal weight category - likely down to body composition and lots of visceral fat).

Personal accountability needs to make a come back.

Ouch.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Also, did you ever think the the UK troubles are because they lockdown/restrict so hard; all "locking down" does is promote bad health behavior resulting in worse health outcomes.

So, to be clear, you don't think the UK strain is responsible for their explosion cases and deaths in the last month+? You think it's the... lockdown they imposed on Jan 4th when cases and deaths were near Wave 1 peaks?

fred wrote:

Budda wrote:

Haha.

Well, that depends if we are talking about the former indian prince or my chosen handle.

Boris is a populist clown and I don't particularly care what he says about most things.

In this instance he was referring to what 4 groups of the most distinguished researchers in the UK are saying.

I tend towards listening to them until someone with as much credibility produces better data.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6527/329

Thanks for that.

Precious already referred to this.

Very interesting.

Don't know how it relates to question of whether Britian strain is more deadly though?