Let's Run message boarders never fail to deliver. If only corporate America and our various government agencies could tap into this brilliant think tank.
Let's Run message boarders never fail to deliver. If only corporate America and our various government agencies could tap into this brilliant think tank.
YMMV wrote:
Common Sense Actions wrote:
For the record - what this person did is NOT what you should do if you encounter a cougar. She was "escorting" him away, because he got too close to her cubs. She had no interest in attacking or killing him, she just wanted to get him away. Notice how quickly she runs away when he finally acts aggressive? If he had made himself big and loud, and thrown objects at the cougar she would have run away at the beginning, instead of after six minutes.
Here is a good breakdown on what one should do in this situation on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1315856091821948929That guy is spot on in his analysis. I didn't bend down for a rock until it had moved away somewhat (6 ft to 30ft) and I was yelling like a madman with my hands raised, not giving an inch.
you have no credibility here
gateway 2, 1 wrote:
YMMV wrote:
That guy is spot on in his analysis. I didn't bend down for a rock until it had moved away somewhat (6 ft to 30ft) and I was yelling like a madman with my hands raised, not giving an inch.
you have no credibility here
I bow to your anonymous snark. Such great insight!
It occurred to me that she left a large distance between her and her cubs. But in reality the speed at which she returned was probably short. If his escape pace was 4 mph it equates to about 700 yards in the 6 minutes. She looked to be returning at 30 mph so it only took her 48 s to return to her cubs. Math wizards check my calcs, but in any case she must not have been too worried about getting back in good time. She'd make a nice team mate in a 4x400!
What are you people talking about?!? That cat's bigger and more dangerous than a pitbull. I guarantee you you'd be scared of an angry pitbull, so you *definitely* be scared of this mountain lion.
Dont like running wrote:
that was a small baby lion . not much bigeer than a big house cat. ?
You've clearly never been confronted by a wild animal. This was a decent-sized mountain lion, they don't have to be BIG to be dangerous, and actually, it's the smaller sized ones that pose a real danger. Very unpredictable and aggressive. I would've been throwing rocks at it from the beginning.
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That was insane. I have only seen one cougar in the wild in my life (I'm sure plenty have seen me). He probably should have stopped when he saw the cubs and started backing up then instead of trying to get closer to get a better video. Other than that, he handled it like a champ. I had a teammate that was escorted off a trail like that once and a guy on the running club I ran with in high school that was killed by a cougar. The closest I have come to something like that was when I accidentally got between a moose and its calf when I came around a corner on a run. I ended up having to go a half mile out of my way through a swamp to get around it, but I stand by my decision. Never mess with moms in nature.
YMMV wrote:
elephino wrote:
How cool is that! It's my dream to see a cougar in the wild.
I've been in that situation twice, once while trail running, another while rock climbing. You do NOT want to partake, believe me. The worst part is doing things like standing your ground and yelling, which would easily cause a bear or deer to startle and run, may have no effect at first. I had to deal with a large male cat from 6-10 feet away for at least ten minutes. The second time I was above on a rock wall and it did startle and flee.
They are not large in bulk, but are pure lithe muscle with rapier-sharp claws and teeth. They can easily eviscerate you if they decide to jump on you. Not turning away is the most crucial element of defense.
I'm pretty sure I didn't cuss, but I think I was a lot louder, yelled for help in case anyone else was nearby, and stood my ground and kept eye contact, throwing rocks near it but deliberately not hitting it.
Man, if I'm ever in that situation, I am getting some rocks immediately and definitely throwing to hit it.
YMMV wrote:
elephino wrote:
How cool is that! It's my dream to see a cougar in the wild.
I've been in that situation twice, once while trail running, another while rock climbing. You do NOT want to partake, believe me. The worst part is doing things like standing your ground and yelling, which would easily cause a bear or deer to startle and run, may have no effect at first. I had to deal with a large male cat from 6-10 feet away for at least ten minutes. The second time I was above on a rock wall and it did startle and flee.
They are not large in bulk, but are pure lithe muscle with rapier-sharp claws and teeth. They can easily eviscerate you if they decide to jump on you. Not turning away is the most crucial element of defense.
I'm pretty sure I didn't cuss, but I think I was a lot louder, yelled for help in case anyone else was nearby, and stood my ground and kept eye contact, throwing rocks near it but deliberately not hitting it.
So you stand your ground But do not move? I get throwing rocks nearby to show capability...In the bush Machete is used to clear land and offering a major defense while isolating prey's reach.
This makes me think of last month, running by this larger home/property an aggressive Mastiff made the effort to run all the way around without a curious bark, there was a nearby fence I was going to jump on for plan B, but the owner "oh he's just being curious" initiated primal I threw off my shirt hit my pectoral while showing my teeth and yelling Gladiator remarks and showing tall posture. I got within 10ft of the Dog and it did the 360 run off while staring back I then started to jog away hearing it's paws/nails on pavement I lunged back dog finally retreated to otherside by this time there was a spectacle and owner was not talking.
Turns out the following week city came by because of multiple complaints now dog has a shock collar and fence I still run by 2x/week and he doesn't move. Wild animal is different beast altogether then domesticated pets but know your an easy meal/threat without aggression...
Didn't she have cubs nearby?
I don't call that stalking, I call it momma defending her family .
A good size rock upside the cat's head ought to dissuade it.
When I was a kid and dogs ran free, when being chased by a dog all you had to do was bend down as if you were getting a rock and the dog would stop dead in its tracks.
All dogs back then knew what is was to catch a rock in the head.
Rocks may irritate a large predator but if it is serious about killing you it will.
The only true safety is to carry your spear with you at all times. This is how man defeated the beasts. They respect the long fang.
jamin wrote:
This one is only about half the size of a normal one, still pretty big
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkO7be9Dn2c&ab_channel=Beastly
Haha. Messi the puma is the best! I like the video where they put him in footie pajamas to take a walk outside because it was too cold for him.
Whodunit wrote:
A good size rock upside the cat's head ought to dissuade it.
When I was a kid and dogs ran free, when being chased by a dog all you had to do was bend down as if you were getting a rock and the dog would stop dead in its tracks.
All dogs back then knew what is was to catch a rock in the head.
That's funny! I lived that era as well. It was pretty common to have a run-in with a dog at least once a week. Many times there were no rocks in the street so like you said, I would pretend to pick one up and pull back my arm and usually the dog took off.
It's funny how all these Sigfried & Roy wanna-be's know just what to do when encountering a big cat. Right or wrong I think some rocks would be traveling its way along with yelling and trying to make myself look big.
I live in Arizona and carry bear spray and a large knife when hiking, nothing when running. I doubt either would help but it makes me feel like I have a chance and might work for coyotes and lesser predators.
YMMV wrote:
gateway 2, 1 wrote:
you have no credibility here
I bow to your anonymous snark. Such great insight!
Honestly the dude did fine. He was out for a run so running away from the kittens would have been a bad Idea as then your back is probably to the mom and could spook her even more . Doing basically anything other than walking/standing still would have been a bad Idea till you see the mom (yeah would have been better to walk the other way) but he obviously wasn't walking that fast as he was walking way fast backwards up the trail in latter half of the video. When he initially ran away that is basically a reflex (the flight in fight or flight) and don't act like you would have done something different that animal can run 2x what Bolt can run and it hunts and eat's animals the size of humans as it's main source of food and now it's pissed off and charging you.. People are comparing this to a dog and that is a really bad comparison.. Think about dogs/wolves/coyotes they hunt smaller game in large packs and are much slower than a big cat. He didn't pick up a rock probably because at that moment he was A.) still very close and the Mountain Lion closed that gap on him during her multiple charges in a split second and B.) He probably wasn't thinking like a person sitting on a couch writing on this site because of the adrenaline passing through his veins... Also standing your ground when the kittens are within 20 meters seems pretty dumb TBH. The mom will be way more willing to attack you if you are close than if you are 1/4 mile away.
Think about Bears.. Black Bears you are fine if you just happen upon one most the time... but if that is a mom and her cubs it might as well be a grizzly bear. Same thing here.
In good news the lion wasn't "stalking" him she was just getting him away such that she wouldn't have to go through killing you and leaving her kittens behind while waiting for the guy to be choked out. Which basically validates everything this dude did in response to her
In bad news if you are attacked by a mountain lion you won't get much notice before it's jaws are around your throat (see the dude up in Fort Colins that got attacked).
When I see that, it just reminds me of the bear "hoax" story from earlier this summer. 6 minutes is a long ass time yet we are still supposed to believe that bear chased a woman for 5 miles? I need to call the local police/fire department to see if anything has come of it.
PS. So I just showed the video above to John Kellogg. The whole time we were watching it he kept saying, "Throw a rock at it." I was thinking go myself, "Might that enrage the animal."
John was correct. The following NBC story reveals that once he threw a rock, the cougar took off.
I saw that this morning too. Thought the same thing, throw a rock... there's literally rocks everywhere, big ones too. I'm almost certain the encounter would have ended much sooner if he just pelted that thing with some stones. Concern I guess would be if you get down the cougar might perceive that as capitulation and attack. Whatever, glad the guy is ok.
Zante wrote:
I saw that this morning too. Thought the same thing, throw a rock... there's literally rocks everywhere, big ones too. I'm almost certain the encounter would have ended much sooner if he just pelted that thing with some stones. Concern I guess would be if you get down the cougar might perceive that as capitulation and attack. Whatever, glad the guy is ok.
I'd be real careful reaching down for the rock(s). Wouldn't take more than a few seconds for the animal to get to you and attach before you can rise and throw.
Flagpole wrote:
YMMV wrote:
I've been in that situation twice, once while trail running, another while rock climbing. You do NOT want to partake, believe me. The worst part is doing things like standing your ground and yelling, which would easily cause a bear or deer to startle and run, may have no effect at first. I had to deal with a large male cat from 6-10 feet away for at least ten minutes. The second time I was above on a rock wall and it did startle and flee.
They are not large in bulk, but are pure lithe muscle with rapier-sharp claws and teeth. They can easily eviscerate you if they decide to jump on you. Not turning away is the most crucial element of defense.
I'm pretty sure I didn't cuss, but I think I was a lot louder, yelled for help in case anyone else was nearby, and stood my ground and kept eye contact, throwing rocks near it but deliberately not hitting it.
Man, if I'm ever in that situation, I am getting some rocks immediately and definitely throwing to hit it.
There were no rocks immediately available and it was literally only a few feet away. If I hade bent for a second to grab something I would have been meat. The hit or not-hit is a tough one. At that point it was not acting aggressive, just sitting and waiting for darkness to give it the edge. Didn't want to risk provocation. Instead I grabbed the best weapon-sized rock, backed away until I couldn't see it, sprinted 100m, then turned to face it if it followed. Rinse repeat for about 6-700m until I just hightailed as best I could at the end of a 19-miler.
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