could there have been a two turn stagger line for a 600?
or marks for 400h?
could there have been a two turn stagger line for a 600?
or marks for 400h?
gotta be the markings for 400 hurdles. 15 meters is SO MUCH to be off by though. lol. must've been running solo?
A start line for a two-turn stagger would be about right (lane 5, 1.17m lane width). It looked like a solid white start line, not an exchange zone or hurdle mark. Maybe a 400m start line finishing at the alternate end of the track.
I heard the organizers wanted the race to finish at the 200m start. So they flipped the track.
Unfortunately they must have used the 400 m start instead of an adjusted 800 m start*
*the 800 m start would not be exactly 200 to the 200 m start due to the additional length needed to run from the break line (diagonal). The difference between the two is approximately 15m
Probably the end of the 4x100 exchange zone.
It would be a solid line, have a one turn stagger, and be about 20 meters off.
Could it have been the center of the 1st exchange zone for the 4x200? I know most outdoor tracks don't even have markings for the 4x200, but the ones I have seen usually have a line in the center of the exchange zone (which would be for a 600 in lanes).
D.Katz wrote:
I heard the organizers wanted the race to finish at the 200m start. So they flipped the track.
Unfortunately they must have used the 400 m start instead of an adjusted 800 m start*
*the 800 m start would not be exactly 200 to the 200 m start due to the additional length needed to run from the break line (diagonal). The difference between the two is approximately 15m
Yup - This is it, just took a look at the img track on google maps. He finishes on the side of the bleachers at the conventional 200m start lin. The 400m start line (which is located on the other side of the track) was used as the start.
I just a photo of the start and there are clearly 400m hurdle marks in the lanes next to him which means it had to be on the 200 m side of the track. This is screwy!
D.Katz wrote:
I heard the organizers wanted the race to finish at the 200m start. So they flipped the track.
Unfortunately they must have used the 400 m start instead of an adjusted 800 m start*
*the 800 m start would not be exactly 200 to the 200 m start due to the additional length needed to run from the break line (diagonal). The difference between the two is approximately 15m
The extra diagonal would only add a few centimeters, I don't understand how that would be off by 15 meters
The exchange zones are black on the img track, so he definitely didn't start on one of those lines.
Also, bummer that they decided to flip the track and give massive headwinds to everyone
jabouk wrote:
Wrong start line somehow, ran 180 meters? Still into a strong headwind
They used the 400 m start.
Short 15 ms, so 20 flat at best
If into a wind that is pretty good
Hardloper wrote:
D.Katz wrote:
I heard the organizers wanted the race to finish at the 200m start. So they flipped the track.
Unfortunately they must have used the 400 m start instead of an adjusted 800 m start*
*the 800 m start would not be exactly 200 to the 200 m start due to the additional length needed to run from the break line (diagonal). The difference between the two is approximately 15m
The extra diagonal would only add a few centimeters, I don't understand how that would be off by 15 meters
I’m certain D. Katz, one of the preeminent course certifiers in the world, knows that the difference between the 200m start line and the 800m start line is significantly less than 15m. Use your brain. He’s saying the difference in starting at the 400m start line is approx 15m shorter than starting at the 200m start line if only running 1 curve. 1.22m*4*pi
sir scrohan wrote:
I’m certain D. Katz, one of the preeminent course certifiers in the world, knows that the difference between the 200m start line and the 800m start line is significantly less than 15m. Use your brain. He’s saying the difference in starting at the 400m start line is approx 15m shorter than starting at the 200m start line if only running 1 curve. 1.22m*4*pi
I know who he is but that comment was unclear to me.
So what he's saying is there is no 200m start for the "flipped" track, so they planned to use the 800m start, hence even if Lyles started from the "correct" start line, he still would have run about 14 cm short of a 200.
From the United States Track & Field Officials Facebook group:
“ Before you all rake us over the coals and say bad officiating please know the facts. As the head official I was asked where the Mark was for the 200 meters for lane 3 so I showed them. That was on Wednesday. Today before the race someone in Zurich Switzerland who was watching through a TV monitor told the timer to move the block to lane 5. I nor any of my officials were notified and the placement of this block was truly positioned by someone in Zurich and the guy who moved it was only doing what he was told to do. He knows nothing about track because he usually times swim meets but he was there helping because he was familiar with how the equipment works.”
He's not very smart is he? Then it doesn't take a lot of intelligence to run around a track.
Anyone ever been on a track?
They must have used the 4x400m 3 turn stagger start and thus 185m.
Hardloper wrote:
sir scrohan wrote:
I’m certain D. Katz, one of the preeminent course certifiers in the world, knows that the difference between the 200m start line and the 800m start line is significantly less than 15m. Use your brain. He’s saying the difference in starting at the 400m start line is approx 15m shorter than starting at the 200m start line if only running 1 curve. 1.22m*4*pi
I know who he is but that comment was unclear to me.
So what he's saying is there is no 200m start for the "flipped" track, so they planned to use the 800m start, hence even if Lyles started from the "correct" start line, he still would have run about 14 cm short of a 200.
+/- a few cm depending on the lane.
However the difference between the 200 and 400 start is ~15m only in lane 5, and it makes no difference how many turns you run if you're talking about just one lane.
One other thing, if that was a "meet," why wasn't Lyles DQ'd? Who actually won? These alt-meets are getting farcical.
It's one thing to ban a crowd from gathering, but these are athletes in their prime gathering a few at a time outdoors on a large open-air venue. Time to get over the nonsense and have some real races.
Hardloper wrote:
sir scrohan wrote:
I’m certain D. Katz, one of the preeminent course certifiers in the world, knows that the difference between the 200m start line and the 800m start line is significantly less than 15m. Use your brain. He’s saying the difference in starting at the 400m start line is approx 15m shorter than starting at the 200m start line if only running 1 curve. 1.22m*4*pi
I know who he is but that comment was unclear to me.
So what he's saying is there is no 200m start for the "flipped" track, so they planned to use the 800m start, hence even if Lyles started from the "correct" start line, he still would have run about 14 cm short of a 200.
I think his post was just written in a confusing way. I had to reread it multiple times to understand what he meant. If you take the * section out, it makes a lot more sense. The problem is that his last sentence wasnt part of his * comment, but it was in the same paragraph, so it read like it was all part of the same thought.
Re reading it, I see he was suggesting they probably started at the 400m start and ended at the 200m solid line stretching across the track, lined up with the 200m start for lane 1.