There’s going to be some big doping news this month

Having said that -- was the DCO at the right address?

If Coleman wasn't there -- yeah, that's his fault.

But if the DCO was at the wrong address, super caution won't help.

rekrunner wrote:

The Pharmaceutical Games wrote:

Posters such as rekrunner like to remind us that a ban for a whereabouts violation doesn't imply that an athlete was doping (I guess we're supposed give them the benefit of the doubt and just assume athletes are clueless on where they say they're supposed be at for testing...Lol).

So anything big on Coleman would be a positive doping test - that might be the only circumstances that wouldn't be second guessed by his loyal fanbase and posters like rekrunner.

'Whereabouts Failures" is a defined term by WADA.

I wouldn't second guess a ban based on Whereabouts Failures.

I understand you wouldn't "second guess" a ban on a whereabouts failure, as defined specifically in the language set forth by WADA.

However, my point is some people will have the opinion and conclude that missing 3 tests was the result of the athlete doping and therefore didn't want to risk testing positive. The thought there is the athlete deliberately missed the tests to avoid testing positive and take the 2 yr hit as opposed to the 4 yr hit for a doping positive (plus annulments of titles, medals, etc., having to pay back earnings, termination of sponsorship, hatred from fanbase, etc).

In whereabouts failure ban, the athlete obviously always maintains that the missed tests were not an attempt to avoid the tests but that the testers screwed up and went to the wrong addresses, had the testing window mixed up, didn't even show up and so forth. The athlete is quick to say that they're not a doper and would be willing to take a test at anytime as so requested. Many people, particularly the athlete's fanbase, will fully believe this and support the athlete through the ban. OTOH, a ban for a doping positive for a specific substance(s), the athlete can rant & rave all they want that they're clean but most people don't take them serious anymore (e.g., Kiprop).

So, where do you stand on whereabouts failure bans in the context of why the athlete missed the tests? The feeling that the athlete was intentionally missing tests to avoid testing positive or believing the athlete when they maintain that they didn't intentionally miss any tests and it's all the fault of anti-doping in not following protocol?

If they don't get BOLT now....he is getting the Carl Lweis treatment and them some. BOLT is the dirtiest I have ever seen !

What exactly is “the ‘big bust’ that so many insiders have been hinting at?

What insiders? Did I miss something or is this just a clickbait post?

It is such a great sign that they are retesting these samples one more time. I hope my favorite runners turn up clean again.

So when you accused me specifically by name of second guessing implications of Whereabouts Failures, it looks like you were really talking about the first guessing of "some people" that have nothing to do with me.

My stance is that such speculations are just reflections and inner projections about a specific case from people whom I largely don't consider to be specifically or particularly informed.

Even if "most people" don't take athletes like Kiprop serious anymore, such a stance hardly matters to me, as such things are not decided by popular vote among those largely uninformed. Some of these people might be disturbed to read some of the things published by Professor Erik Boye with respect to WADA labs and interpretations of urine EPO test results.

I hope they don't catch JS. That would be a majik dope.

supragraf wrote:

Makhloufi

Definitely Makhloufi. It's a shame it takes so long for these retesting though.

Man, what’s your deal? Everytime a thread gets interesting, you’re there starting some kind of fight, and end up ruining the whole thing. Do you really argue and fight with people this much in real life? It gets really fûcking old.

Quit being so sanctimonious - I merely asked you a question. You seem to always want to be in the spotlight on doping threads never hesitant in giving your opinion.

That's a lot of mumbo jumbo - I take this to mean you believe "whereabouts failures" don't indicate an athlete was intentionally avoiding testing because of doping...gotcha. ?

"Largely uniformed?" What kind of a joker are you? You think you're so well informed on doping cases that your opinion is the only one that counts? If anything, you're naive with dopers (unless of this course this is all an act you put on).

"Kiprop" was one of the most prolific dopers in the Kenyan doping machine. He was the only one that could catch up to Rocket Fuel Ramzi at Beijing where both of these two characters destroyed a world class field making them look like amateurs. Lol. Then at the DL @ Birmingham 2016, he makes a mockery of another world class field even destroying 2nd place finisher Iguider by a wide margin! Lol. He appears on the FB hacked WADA document of 2016 as "passport suspicious" with a (+++) priority level - all culminating when they were finally able nail him OOC. You're naive on Kiprop - examine the totality of the circumstances (unless you're just trolling).

Disturbed? Lol. He sounds like he would be called to testify by an attorney on behalf of a doper at a CAS hearing. He needs to talk about how the system is corrupt & broken with these athletes getting off on doping charges with some of the most ridiculous defenses (tainted meat, kissing defense, sex/drinking, etc.). He should be talking about how the high-profile athletes with the big sponsors & big bucks buy themselves out of some of these doping charges/scandals. It's all about the $$$...nothing new there.

NYDCRunner1 wrote:

supragraf wrote:

Makhloufi

Definitely Makhloufi. It's a shame it takes so long for these retesting though.

It will NEVER be Bolt.

But Makhloufi, that would be nice...

Of course not Bolt. But, if this is about wishing, the more and bigger, the better, so someone finally feels motivated to clean up, and rebuilt the corrupt IAAF/WA and incompetent WADA from scratch.

Or, a lot more likely, we keep prodding along with tough talk and a token doper here or there, while ignoring most and excusing others for kissing, eating beef, having sex, or Christmas shopping.

Makhloufi's got a nice little career now.

2012-Olympic gold in the 1500m

2016-Olympic Silver in the 800m and 1500m

two years off

2019-World Silver in the 1500m

He's also run 1:42/2:13.09/3:28.75

Usually, these later doping re-tests only catch or announce Eastern European dopers and a few athletes from non-powers, as well as some throwers.

Big Mac has spent the last 3 months in South Africa under the pretence of ot being unable to return to Algeria due to lockdowns. How convenient.

If he gets busted then I wont care if no more Kenyans are popped this year, I'd be happy with just him.

assistant to the regional manager wrote:

Man, what’s your deal? Everytime a thread gets interesting, you’re there starting some kind of fight, and end up ruining the whole thing. Do you really argue and fight with people this much in real life? It gets really fûcking old.

I didn't start anything, but was called out by name (well handle).

And I answered your question.

That is your take. Whereabouts Failure is defined by WADA.

On the contrary, I think there are many athletes who are called dopers where I lack any information about doping.

That is also your take. I have examined the totality of circumstances presented so far.

He is talking about a broken and unfair system.

[quote]rekrunner wrote:

If Coleman wasn't there -- yeah, that's his fault.

They have done what the police do...they have got him to provide Bank statements and receipts to prove his own guilt that he wasn't there.

And then he says "I gave them receipts to show I bought a suit went to the Apple store went to chipotle"

You know what all those places have in common....they are not your house which is where you said you would be from 7.15-8.15

huh what wrote:

What's the rumor mill like on Almaz Ayana? Still finding that Rio WR suspicious.

It's not only sus, a swedish runner finishing further back in the field instantly called Ayana out as a cheater on swedish television. Some controversy followed, but Ayana just smashed a super doped chinese 90's record so obviously the swede was right on.

FatSlowOldGuy wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

If Coleman wasn't there -- yeah, that's his fault.

They have done what the police do...they have got him to provide Bank statements and receipts to prove his own guilt that he wasn't there.

And then he says "I gave them receipts to show I bought a suit went to the Apple store went to chipotle"

You know what all those places have in common....they are not your house which is where you said you would be from 7.15-8.15

Agreed.